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faustus37

I wonder if Sali is reading this stuff to begin with. And how many times did Mr. Small Government vote to fund state-run liquor stores in the Legislature? Hrm ...

MountainGoat

Eh, probably not reading it himself. Maybe some 1st District voters are though and that's really who matters.

Don't know the number on the state run liquor store votes. But Mr. Small Government talks about looking after small businesses who he says can't afford to pay an increased minimum wage without going under, and that said minimum wage increase would create havoc in the economy.

Then he turns around and votes against helping start-ups owned by veterans and rural folks get access to SBA loans; the same kind of businesses that would probably employ several folks and add to the economy. It's just ludicrous.

Sisyphus

Here's another gem from Sali. Apparently there's not enough room to shoot. Owyhee County is one of the largest counties in the country but he wants all of it for shooters. Sali is spearheading an effort to preserve our freedom to plink tanks or harrass raptors.
http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-may1607-sali_rifle_ban.76a3d76b.html

The lack of enforcement in the existing zone was profiled here:

http://www.boiseguardian.com/2007/04/01/welcome_to_idaho.html

Bill Sali Fan

Regarding the presence or absence of "quotas", we know from his deliberations in reaching a decision on how to vote on Prop. 2 that Congressman Sali spends months studying each bill, so I'll trust his analysis over yours, you Anti-Sali Socialist, you!

MountainGoat

BS Fan, that's hilarious.

Anon.

I think that the "quotas" that Sali is referring to are those effectively set up by the Community Express Program.

To the extent that that Program is funded, these are, ultimately, quotas---in the sense that of all the money appropriated for loans under the Small Business Act, a certain percentage will effectively be reserved for women, Indians, vets, and those economically and socially disadvantaged.

Sali has been misleading in past op-eds. However, as far as this part of this op-ed, I don't think it's fair to say that using the term "quotas" is unreasonable.

Bill Sali Fan

Hilarious? Hilarious!?! What's really hilarious is that all y'all socialists don't realize that everyone in the 1st District except for the six or seven of you agrees with Congressman Sali. If not, how do you explain the huge margin of his victory in the last election?

MountainGoat

Well Anon., in the language as I read it, the CEP doesn't reserve a certain $ amount or number of loans for those groups to the exclusion of others who might apply for a SBA loan -- which is what most people think of when they hear quota -- the program is simply available to those groups. BTW the program is also available to *all* businesses in low to moderate income areas, not just those who are in the disadvantaged groups.

I'm sure you're correct that this program is what Sali considers quotas; it is misleading to use that term, however.

BS Fan, you crack me up.

BinkyBoy

These are the same "quotas" that Republicans like to claim are set up within anything that targets to help minorities. If it doesn't allow their big donors to reap big dollars, then they vote against it. Small businesses are fence voters and those don't fund re-elections.

Mr. Silly is just a curmudgeon, satisfying idiots like Adam in order to try to guarantee a re-election.

2008 will be a grand year, I'm thinking.

Anon.

Although a more accurate term would be "preferences," it's nevertheless within the realm of debate whether the Community Express Program establishes "quotas" or not. That question can really only be answered after we see the regulations and procedures under which the permanent program is actually administered.

My point, though, is still that if "quotas" is misleading, it's so barely misleading in comparison to so many other arguments Sali has made that I'm unclear why this one was singled out.

If we're not prepared to tolerate even that minimal level of spin in political argument, we're asking for the enforced end of rhetoric.

MountainGoat

I disagree with the premise of the argument, Anon. It's not even accurate to say "preference." If a business owned by a veteran and a business owned by a regular joe both applied for a small business loan, a "quota" or "preference" would imply that the veteran got the loan whereas the regular joe didn't.

In this example, depending on their circumstances, they both may qualify for SBA loans. One doesn't exclude the other, which is what a "quota" or "preference" implies.

faustus37

Getting rid of state-run liquor stores and privatizing the industry will create at least a $10 million/year industry in the state literally overnight, while at the same time saving taxpayers around $15 million/year. I'll post the link of my full discourse at the end.

Strictly speaking, if Sali ever voted to fund the ISLD, he voted for socialism. Let's see him defend that little gem. (Of course, so did everyone else in the Legislature, but now you know.)

"Owyhee County is one of the largest counties in the country but he (Sali) wants all of it for shooters." And they want to build a nuke plant there, too? Uh oh ...

Booze link:
http://www.43rdstateblues.com/?q=node/3277

Anon.

Well, I'll have a hard time keeping up this argument, as I personally believe that the quota---or whatever you want to call it---ought to be there. This is affirmative action, and I'm in favor of it.

Still, it's there, in the bill as it was passed in the House. We're looking at Section 103 of the bill, the section intended to make the Community Express Program permanent.

This section authorizes a program of making loans, up to $250,000 per loan, to businesses. If your business is located in a low- or moderate-income area, then sure---any business could qualify for a loan. But in *every other kind of area*, you do not qualify for a CEP loan unless your business is owned mostly by women, vets, Indians, or "socially or economically disadvantaged individuals." If it's not, you do not qualify.

That's a preference, and, depending on how the program is actually administered, arguably a quota. Again, I'm all for it, but I do not think it's illegitimate to call it out as a quota.

Thanks for the thoughtful, careful discussion. I really appreciate the blog.

MountainGoat

Okay Anon, I think we're just going to end up going 'round and 'round over this. I appreciate your arguments, however...

For many here in Idaho "quota" has a very negative connotation usually in the context of: Two people apply for a job, one guy who's more qualified gets passed over in favor of the minority applicant.

That definition of "quota" with its negative connotation just does not apply in this case. No one who qualifies for a SBA loan would be denied a SBA loan because someone else participated in the CEP.

In this bill the CEP is an *additional* program to the SBA loan program which comes with it's own *additional* funding -- an additional program for those who qualify but not restricting or limiting access or taking away funding from the other SBA programs.

When Sali uses the term "quota" it's red meat for his supporters who would define "quota" as in the example above. I'm simply calling attention to the fact that using "quota" in that context is not appropriate.

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Quotes For 2010

  • "The main thing is to keep everybody going down that road as we try to find the answers and solutions to all these problems. It'll be fun! We'll get it done." — Majority Leader Mike Moyle (R-Star) when asked in an Idaho Reports broadcast how the State House will handle making tough budget decisions this year, 1.29.10.

Quotes For 2009

  • "[Some politicians] wouldn't recognize the Constitution if it fell in their laps and called them Daddy." — Rep. Lenore Hardy Barrett (R-Challis) at a tea party tax protest.
  • "Just, you know, putting beans on the table." — former Congressman Bill Sali (R-ID-01) when asked by Nate Shelman (670 KBOI) what he's doing these days.
  • "I said yesterday we hope and pray things will get better before they get worse. It's obvious to me some of you need to do a better job of praying." — Sen. Dean Cameron (R-Rupert), Joint Finance-Appropriation Committee co-chair on the grim economic forecast facing the committee.
  • “We’ve been called a lot of things but we’ve never been called sneaks before.” — Rep. Maxine Bell (R-Jerome) in a budget dispute with the governor's staff over legislators' computer funding.
  • "I’m not wearing rose-tinted glasses. But I am a glass-half-full kind of guy." — Gov. C. L. "Butch" Otter attempting to remain optimistic while delivering tough economic news in his State of the State/Budget message.

Quotes For 2008

  • "I am not ashamed that we use a lot of energy in this country. It has made us the most prosperous Nation on the face of the planet. ... Using energy makes us prosperous." — Congressman Bill Sali (R-ID-01) during debate on an energy bill that, among other things, invested in alternative and renewable energy sources and repealed tax subsidies for large oil companies. (H.R.6899)
  • "If [Oversight Committee Chairman] Henry Waxman was interested in doing more than just showboat, we'd be there in a heartbeat. It's political grandstanding." — spokesman Wayne Hoffman explaining why Congressman Bill Sali (R-ID-01) was absent from congressional oversight hearings into the financial crisis where, among other things, it was learned that AIG executives indulged in a lavish retreat a week after the bailout.
  • "You know what, campaigns are fast and furious, I accept responsibility that we don't have the right citation there, but the facts I stand by - we are correct about that." — Congressman Bill Sali (R-ID-01) reacting to a campaign commercial fact-checking report.
  • "There are people out there without health care, and we need to address that, but it's not as big of a problem as some people would make it out to be" — Congressman Bill Sali (R-ID-01) in a Lewiston, ID debate
  • "People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power." — President Bill Clinton in a speech at the 2008 DNC
  • "To my supporters, to my champions, to my sisterhood of the traveling pantsuits, from the bottom of my heart, thank you." — Senator Hillary Clinton in a speech at the 2008 DNC
  • "The America that we know, that the founding fathers envisioned, will cease to exist." — Congressman Bill Sali (R-ID-01) speaking at the state GOP convention about the possibility of a Democratically controlled White House and Congress.
  • "Sometimes the problems have to get larger before you can solve them. We can still drive around the potholes, so they must not be big enough." — House Speaker Lawerence Denney (R-Midvale), explaining that lawmakers still need to be convinced about the extent of road maintenance problems before they'll agree to tax or fee increases.
  • "Those people that believe in shooting animals through the fences . . . ought to turn the rifle the other way." — Former Governor Cecil Andrus, at sportsmen's rally, decked out in full camouflage, urging opposition to "shooter bull" operations on domestic elk farms.
  • "GARVEE is like swallowing a raw egg - it seems to be one of those things that's really hard to stop in the middle of." — Rep. Marv Hagedorn (R-Meridian), in comments on a package of transportation bills introduced by House GOP leaders at an emergency committee meeting.
  • "I'm a professional dairyman. I have milked and milked everything I can possibly milk." — State Police Maj. Ralph Powell, arguing that the state crime lab's bare-bones operation has reached its limit and now costs the state money as testing is sent to private labs.
  • "Idaho is ranked last in the nation in protecting the safety of children in day care centers." — Sen. Kate Kelly (D-Boise), in support of an unsuccessful move by Senate Democrats to force a daycare standards bill out of committee.
  • "This [anti-discrimination bill] is something we will propose every year until it passes." — Rep. Nicole LeFavour (D-Boise), responding to the latest BSU Public Policy survey in which 63 percent of Idahoans think it ought to be illegal to fire someone for being gay or seeming to be gay.
  • "I assumed it would be a bunch of radical college students, so to fit the part, I grew a goatee, got a revolutionary T-shirt and put on some ratty jeans." — Rep. Curtis Bowers (R-Caldwell) in an Idaho Press-Tribune opinion explaining how he disguised himself to uncover alleged communist plots.

Quotes For 2007

  • "Divorce is just terrible. It's one of Satan's best tools to kill America." — Rep. Dick Harwood (R-St. Maries) describing the work of the Idaho Legislature's Family Task Force.
  • "I am not gay; I never have been gay." Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) in a statement responding to news of his arrest and subsequent guilty plea to disorderly conduct after an incident in an airport men's room.
  • “Most of the hospitals in this country have Christian names. If you think Hindu prayer is great, where are the Hindu hospitals in this country? Go down the list. Where are the atheist hospitals in this country? They’re not equal.” — Rep. Bill Sali (R-ID-01) to the Idaho Press-Tribune editorial board in response to criticism of his views regarding Hindu prayer in the Senate.
  • "We are all Nintendo warriors today. Remember that game, that electronic game, a few years ago, push buttons zim, zam, boom and it was all over with? That is not the way you fight war, although we as a society have grown to believe that." — Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) during debate on an amendment to a bill providing for defense authorization.
  • "While we are Democrats and Republicans, in our hearts we are all Idahoans." — Sen. Clint Stennett (D-Ketchum), reaching out to Republicans while outlining the Democratic agenda for the 2007 legislative session.
  • "One of the hardest things we've had to do here is taking off our party hats." — Rep. Marv Hagedorn (R-Meridian) on a proposal to restrict Idaho's primary elections.
  • "This is outrageous. The people of Idaho are entitled to have their representatives base their votes on the merits of a bill, not on who backed the loser in a speaker's contest." — Former GOP Gov. Phil Batt responding to accusations of political retribution taken by House Speaker Denney (R-Midvale) on other members.
  • “There was one of those six projects that was removed altogether. Why? Because the senator and the representatives from that district were from the wrong political party. We need to take a step back" — Sen. Dean Cameron (R-Rupert) to the Senate when debating the GARVEE bill.
  • "I'm prepared to bid for that first ticket to shoot a wolf myself." — Gov. Butch Otter, speaking to a hunters' rally at the Statehouse.
  • "To get a kick out of smoking industrial hemp, it would take a cigar the size of a telephone pole." — Rep. Tom Trail (R-Moscow), downplaying the relation between hemp and its cousin marijuana
  • "I guess I would just make a plea saying we need the money. You know we need the money on roads." — Rep. JoAn Wood (R-Rigby), on proposed bill to collect gas tax from sales on Indian reservations.
  • "No one wants to carry the canoe bill." — Rep. Eric Anderson (R-Priest River), agreeing with Gov. Otter that non-motorized boats should also pay registration fees, but noting any such proposal will be a tough sell.
  • "I don't think we should let the threat of a lawsuit force us to implement something that's not well thought out." — Abbie Mace, Fremont County Clerk, testifying against a "modified-closed primary" bill being pushed by GOP leaders.
  • "There's a lot of things that I pointed out in my State of the State (address) that haven't passed. Unfortunately, I can't think of one that has." — Gov. Butch Otter, addressing reporters on the legislative session so far.
  • "I say let's have a hearing and take our clothes off and go after it." — Rep. Jim Clark, R-Hayden Lake, trying to get lawmakers to print his bill.
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